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Since opening these pages I have received
several enquiries from owners of Biturbos who rather 'surprisingly' have encountered problems with
their cars.
Although neither an expert nor a qualified mechanic I have sought to give what help I could.
With this in mind I thought the best course of action should be to open a page where I would
publish these problems so that any advice other owners might like to offer would be passed on to
the owners concerned.
Any owner having a problem with their Maserati can send me details and I will publish these, together
with any subsequent advice I receive, on this page.
Just drop me a line at:- phenry@freenetname.co.uk |
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Pat from the USA writes: |
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"Hi,
I hope you can help me, I have a 1984 U.S spec. (2.5L,5spd) Biturbo that
I have planned on servicing this coming week (head gaskets). Though I have
finally procured all the parts for the job I have yet to locate a service
manual and need a few key specs to complete the task without blowing my
engine to kingdom come. I need the torque specs for the head retaining bolts
and if possible the sequence in which they are tightened, also do these heads
need to be re-torqued after the engine has been run? This info as well as
any tips you might be able to provide would be simply fabulous.
Many thanks!!!
Pat." |
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Govert from Sutton, England writes: |
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"I recently sold my 2.24v, moved back from 5 years in the Netherlands to the
UK, and along the route bought a 1 owner 45 000km '95 Ghibli in Vicenza
Italy. It is a beauty and is a Tundra Verde, 2.0 litre pre GT car, but with
ABS and static ignition. I live in Sutton, Surrey and all is well with the
car except I have one niggling technical problem with it.
The turbo boost system exhibits a condition where occasionally the boost
fails to build up properly - the plenum pressure is being sent to the boost
control solenoid and then to the waste gate servos - and the boost needle
stays just shy of the yellow zone. I.e there is a faulty signal to open the
boost control valve and I am down about 100 - 150 bhp.
I had the car checked in Holland before I moved back to the UK and I know
that the problem is electrical. The mechanicals of the boost system are fine
and I have tried to fix this problem for a while now. We/I thought it was a dodgy knock
senor connector - but have not taken it out yet.
So, I would love to know if anyone really understands the system in depth,
i.e I need knowledge about whether a signal is required from each knock
sensor for boost to be allowed to build up by the ECU. Knowledge about the
other electrical inputs to control the boost pressure that cause the above
problem etc.
Alternativley, if someone with a Ghibli 2.0 or 2.8 could disconnect 1 knock
sensor and let me know if the boost builds up, that would be great. If the
answer was No, pressure does not build up in that test, then at least I know
I am onto the right source of the problem.
I have even tried to measure the voltage from the piezo-electric knock sensor
accelerometer but have insufficiently sensitive equipment (I need a scope for
this). Also, does anyone know if the boost control solenoid (I replaced mine
with a new one to no avail) opens and reduces boost pressure based on
plenum pressure or rpm signal? Is plenium pressure converted to electronic
signals anywhere?
In summary, if know anyone who can help, i.e who properly understands the
full electronics of the boost system, I be delighted to hear from them and
get Ghibli back to 100%.
Govert." |
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Robert from London, England writes: |
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"Perhaps you could post this on to the "Can you help?" section of your
website.
What are the pitfalls and things I should be aware of in importing a 97-98
Ghibli from Italy? I have spoken with my insurance company, so you can omit
any comments on the insurance aspect.
Kind Regards,
Robert." |
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Angelo from Italy writes: |
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"Hello,
I am looking for some information about a little Maserati truck built in the Fifties.
I am also interested in Maserati electric three-wheeled motor-cycle trucks.
Can you help me?
Angelo." |
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Micha from The Netherlands writes: |
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"Hello,
My name is Micha and I live in Holland. I want to buy my first Maserati, it is a 1993 Maserati 424 with 103,000 km's on the clock. Can you give me some purchase advise before I buy it?
Thank you for your time,
Micha." |
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Reply from Andy Heywood:- |
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The 424 is a car not marketed in the UK but is essentially the same as the 430 4v but with a two litre rather than a 2.8 litre engine.
This car has a very advanced specification as it has the 4 valve engine - very reliable but must have it's timing chains changed every 80,000 kms. This means taking the engine out. You should check in the service history to see if this has been done as it makes the service very expensive. Otherwise, make the usual checks for blue smoke at idle which indicates worn turbos, check that the engine has no oil leaks and that the water pump is quiet.
The suspension of this car may have the active ride shock absorbers. These need to be tested in all positions and if the red warning light comes on in the key pad during the test, then it means that one or more of the shocks are faulty. This is important as they are expensive to replace.
Otherwise, carry out a full inspection under the car for rust, especially the sills (which are covered by skirts), the jacking points, the inner wings by the front suspension and the bulkhead area near the fusebox.
Inside the car, check that everything works, including the air conditioning as what may seem like minor items can be expensive to repair.
On a road test, check that the boost gauge moves to the orange sector - less indicates a seized wastegate on the turbos, more indicates that it has been modified, which is not good for the long term health of the engine. Listen for noise from the gearbox (some noise at idle is normal), listen for noise from the differential and if present, flick the car from side to side to see if the noise goes away - If it does then it could be a rear wheel bearing. Because the 4 valve engine produces more power than the earlier cars and still uses their axle and rear suspension, it can wear out the differential prematurely.
Check the condition of the wheels as they are quite fragile and can get bent (expensive to replace). Look also at the angle of the rear wheels from behind the car. They should both display some negative camber. If they look different then the car may have been slid into a kerb and a new rear suspension arm may be needed. Check also the condition of the headlights as they are expensive to replace on these cars.
Above all, check for a full service history which substantiates the mileage and also find out who serviced the car. There are only a few good people in The Netherlands that I know of - Karol Krieger and Franco Auto. If it has been looked after by them then it should be good! |
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Lee in the UK writes: |
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"What do you think a fairly nice LHD 1982 2-litre Merak with Bora suspension in 'Giallo Fly' yellow with blue leather trim with 27,000 kilometers on the clock is worth?
The top end has been rebuilt and it drives very well etc.
Regards
Lee." |
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Reply from Andy Heywood:- |
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Meraks. Hmmm. There is a lot to look out for!
Biggest problem is always the rust. If you are thinking about an 'Italian' car then this shoud not be such a problem but in the UK it could be. They rust more than any other Maser and in places that can be very difficult to repair. You must check the car on a ramp and look for problems in the sills (not viewable on the outside because they have aluminium covers), the area under the fuel tanks, the surrounding chassis tubes and the floors (pull out the rear seat cushions to be sure). Also open the luggage boot and poke around the sides with a screwdriver, the front suspension mounts here and you may find that only the carpet and the underseal are holding it all together. Only then can you start on the outer body which goes in all the usual places, such as wheel arches, bottoms of doors, leading edge of bonnet. Take extra care to examine the fit of the bonnet and the headlight pods as most cars have had a shunt in the front at some point and dodgy panel fit is a giveaway.
Engine wise, check the oil pressure on cold start - should go to 7 bar and then come back to 1 or 2 at hot idle. Should readily come up to 4 or 5 bar when revved. Carry out a roadtest and lift off the throttle at high revs, while looking in the rear view mirror - if there are plumes of blue smoke then the valve guides will need doing which is expensive. Check also for oil smoke at idle. Merak engines do use a bit of oil anyway but they can get excessive.
Check the hydraulic system by starting the engine, run it until the red light on the dashboard goes out and then switch off (the red light shows low hydraulic pressure on each start up). With the engine switched off, see how many times you can raise and lower the headlights (which are part of the hydraulic system) before the pressure runs out - 12 times is good, 6 is minimum. If the car doesnt pass the test then it will need some work done on the system. Check also the condition of the fluid in the LHM tank - If it is pure green then it is OK, if it is milky then it will need work as water has got in and this will cause major problems.
Otherwise, listen for gearbox noise and jumping out of gear. Check that the gears engage OK as the synchromesh is quite delicate on the Citroen gearbox and expensive to fix.
Overall, it is better to go for an SS model. Meraks never feel that fast, although the handling is fantastic and they are very pleasant cars to drive. Therefore, a pre -SS or a two litre will feel downright slow by modern standards. Better make sure you can live with the sharpness of the Citroen brakes too as they take some acclimatisation.
In the UK, 3-litre Merak values are £20K for excellent, £15 for average and £8K for poor. It is far cheaper in the long run to go for an excellent one!
The 2-litre version is not very popular and therefore the resale could be difficult. Overall though, a cheap and enjoyable way to get into Maserati! |
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Erik in Norway writes: |
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"Hello!
I am from Norway, Scandinavia, and I would thank you for your
great site!
I wonder if there are any ways of installing a "trailer-hook" or "tow-bar" on a Biturbo.
I have a raceboat and I need to tow my boat-trailer.
I have considered buying such a car and want to know if it is possible to get a tow-bar from
Italy or other places?
Thanks! Erik" |
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Reply from Enrico:- |
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Hi Erik,
I have made a few enquiries.
In England there is a company called 'Ambrose Trailers' in Bournemouth and they can make a tow-bar attachment for the Maserati Biturbo.
You can contact them at ambrowt@aol.com or telephone them on 0044-1202-479259.
Hope this helps.
Regards, Enrico. |
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Barry in Italy writes: |
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"Hi Enrico,
I am very interested to find important informations about the Biturbo 2500 Gr.A that raced the 1987 World Touring Car Championship and in 88,89,90,91 CIVT.
The cars were prepared by Elio Imberti in Bergamo for the PRO-Team of Tony Palma with the official support of Maserati factory.
I know six cars were to be made but only four were probably finished.
Two of these cars are here in my town in Italy and someone told me that one is at Panini Collection.
Can you confirm it to me as I know you visited more than one time this museum?
I send you a photo of one of the cars in a race in WTCC 1987.
Thank you for the help.
Barry" |
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Rodrigo in Portugal writes: |
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"Hi Enrico,
I bought a 1988 Maserati 222 Si Biturbo a short while ago with 85,000km on the clock.
I love the car, but I have a big problem with it.
After driving the car for about one hour the engine stops and won´t restart.
After about 40 to 50 minutes rest it starts and one hour later the engine stops again.
After another 40 to 50 minutes rest it started again...
Another problem it´s when the engine is at 4000 rpm it failed but continue the trip.
In this moment I have changed the spark plugs, the ignition leads, the debimeter, the fuel filter,
the fuel pump and I have cleaned out the fuel tank. I have tested all the fuses, condensator and the bobins.
I am in the process of cleaning the fuel injectors.
PLEASE HELP ME GIVE ME YOUR OPINION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
Thanks and Best Regards
Rodrigo." |
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Reply from Andy Heywood:- |
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Sounds like two separate problems.
The first is seems curious. Obviously something is going open circuit when the car gets hot. This could be a number of things and really, I would need more information.
However, the first things to check would be the battery earth to the body and then the crankshaft sensor which signals the fuel injection. There is a conncetion for this behind the cam belt which is tricky to reach and could be being affected. However, when displaying the symptoms, it would be relatively easy to go round with a resistance meter and check for open circuits.
The second one of the engine stopping at 4,000 rpm sounds like a rotor arm problem.
Hope this helps. |
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Rehan in the UK writes: |
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"Hi,
I am looking for wheel specifications for the Maserati 430 (1990 model
year). I would be grateful if you could email me the pitch circle diameter
(PCD), offset, and centrebore measurements for the above model.
Thanks & regards,
Rehan." |
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Rob in the UK writes: |
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"Can anyone please help me?
I have an Italian market 1992 Maserati Ghibli (2.0 V6, 6 speed Gearbox).
The gear stick sometimes jumps out of 1st gear with a violent ‘clonk’ – it doesn’t happen all the time but really spoils the car. My mechanic is doing some research on the internals for the box to make sure he can fix it before we remove it. We believe it is a standard Getrag 6 speed box with Maserati Modified internals. We need help finding out what they have modified and how to get replacement parts.
And if anyone can shed any light on why she is doing it, it would be much appreciated.
Regards
Rob" |
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Reply from Andy Heywood:- |
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The Ghibli six speed gearbox is indeed a Getrag unit. The Maserati Parts manual does not show any parts available for the box and there are no special tools available for it's overhaul. Therefore, I would suggest that there are no Maserati modifications to the box as these parts would normally be shown separately.
The gearbox is usually very strong and the only experience that I have had of it failing was in a Ghibli Open Cup racer which had led a particularly hard life. The simple option at the time was to fit a secondhand box and one was obtained easily from Italy. It is worth noting that the box is also that fitted to Quattroporte (with a slight modification to the mountings).
The only other information that I have is that I have been told that it is identical to that fitted in BMW M3, but as I try never to get involved with BMWs, I don't know if this is true.
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Reply from Theo Kyriacou:- |
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This might seem like a very silly solution but please read on! My 1987
Biturbo Coupe had a similar problem. It would jump out of 1st gear (with a
loud noise) when the car was cold. Usually first few first gear drive-offs
on cold winter days. Slight hand pressure on the gearstick used to solve the
problem.
The real solution was very simple. The problem was caused by the rubber
gaiter. There is a hard rubber gaiter (under the leather gaiter) held
tightly in place by a screwed metal bezel. When the car was cold, the rubber
gaiter would not compress enough to allow first gear to engage properly. The
spring action of the rubber used to push out first gear. By loosening the
metal bezel and forcing it as far back as possible (1st gear is 'on a
dogleg' in my Biturbo) the problem was solved.
Incidentally, a few mechanics had quoted me several hundred pounds to repair
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Rob in the UK replies: |
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Enrico
Spurred on by the responses from Theo Kyriacou (Bi-turbo) and your friend (Ghibli) I followed their instructions myself and so far it has worked. I’ve done 150 1st gear starts and it hasn’t popped out of first gear yet. This was in the garage but I’ll do many more real starts to make sure. I’ve laid out the procedure below for anyone else – mine is an Italian Market (LHD) Ghibli, 1992, owned by the MD of the Maserati dealership in Cuneo, Northern Italy:
Untie the leather straps that tie up the leather gaiter around the gear lever knob.
Pull down the leather gaiter to expose the aluminium ring that holds the gear knob in place. Three small Allen screws hold this in place. Undo these and remove the gear knob.
Gently prise up the front of the panel surrounding the gear knob (just below the seat reclining buttons) - it is held in place with a metal clip.
From behind the panel, pull of the switches for the windows and the seat back reclining. The adjustable suspension lead does not have to be touched as this is a long cable.
Lift the panel over the gear knob and place in the footwell - adjustable suspension cable still in place.
Remove the noise deadening foam.
Using a 10mm socket, undo the four bolts holding the metal plate in place.
Push the rubber gaiter down through the metal plate so the plate can be removed. Try not to let the gaiter become separated from the base of the gear shaft (beneath the metal plate) as this is very fiddly to get back on and takes ages (I know!) – there is no need for it to come off.
Cut out a section of the foam in the upper half of the circle (around where 1st gear is) as this can cause the gear stick to jump out. I took off about one centimetre.
File down the upper half of the circle of the metal plate - I took off about 2mm. Remove any burrs so you don’t damage the gaiter.
Refit the metal plate and fit the rubber gaiter in place by pushing up through the (newly enlarged) hole. Forcing the plate as far forward as possible (i.e. in the direction of 1st gear).
Tighten up the bolts. I left mine a bit slack to make sure there would be some play in the plate whilst maintaining a waterproof seal to stop water getting into the cabin. I will tighten it up fully in a few weeks when I’m sure I’ve cured the problem, in case I have to file some more off.
Reassemble the rest of the parts.
Drive and smile!
Thank you very much for the help Enrico, it would have cost me hundreds of pounds to get the box out and inspected and that wouldn’t have solved the problem. I’ll let you know how the road tests go!
Please let me know if I can help you out in the future, or if you wish to send any queries regarding the above to me so I can e-mail directly to anyone else who has this problem.
I do have one final query. The check engine light comes on at random (accelerating, decelerating, in town, stationary) for just a few seconds at a time but is very irritating. I’ve replaced the Lambda sensor (I was told this would sort it) but it still happens. Any ideas?
Thanks and all the best for the future with your excellent website. If I can help in any way, please shout!
Cheers,
Rob. |
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